/i/ - International

>>8539
немає іноземців, лише українці з впнками

sam sosi

Been learning Ukrainian lately

i knew this place long ago

>>8723
>>8722
Ukraine is a hell with slavery, I hate this place and don't know how to escape from this prison.

>>8726
Hold on, please.

What do you mean by "hell"?
If we're talking about consequences of genocidal war started, then this is a series of crimes by the ruscist regime.
And if we'll make a short look into corruption schemes, most of them are connected with the previous cause.
But if you're going to blame Ukrainians without any proactive proposition—why would any other society in the world should support to your "sheepish" rhetoric?

A kind reminder: the will is not an "invincible shield", but it is a "powerful tool" to master your fears and pain.


And what is "slavery" in your interpretation?
If you are having trouble with closed borders, you should also know, that as soon as war (with a big certainty) will be over, there will come many foreigners in Ukraine to help us with reconstruction and reformation... Would you like to take part of it and start this process already, either by voluntary action, or by generating material or financial resources to create useful, safe and healthy life conditions here?

It would be quite nice if we, as well as everyone in the world, created a branch new way to obtain valuable goals with our knowledge and skills for next generation to live in sustainable development and prosperity.

>>8727
No for hold on.
Turbo patriots doesn't fight in front line, but screaming very laud to force simple males to fight.
TCK kidnapping males from the streets, beating them to make them fight, which is murder extended in time and methods.
SBU instead to kill FSB agenst in Verhovna Rada, searching who posting shit about Zelemsky and Yermak.
Border control killing and enslaving people who want run away from this hell.
You can't go to work, you can't talk, you can't leave, ofcourse if you have enough money and connections you can give a bribe or nepotism will decide your question.
Purity of simple citizens makes sick life in this shithole.
Sons of TCK, oligarchs, elites, doesn't serve in army in battlefront, even police doesn't serve. Elites can freely get out from country and travel over the world.
This is even worst then russia.

> blame Ukrainians without any proactive proposition
Open fucking borders, and stop killing own people who doesn't want to fight for this shit, are you stupid?

>>8727
> Would you like to take part of it and start this process already
NO, I do not want to waste my time left to leave in this world to corrupted peace of shit. FUCK YOU, YOU CATTLE

>>8728
>screaming very laud
Are they? You feel guilt? I'm too. And I know that my dreams and plans will come true...

>TCK kidnapping males
If they do, it's breaking the law and should be regulated with the help of police.

>kill FSB agenst in Verhovna Rada
As well as many other collaborationists who post coordinates and russian propaganda in tg?
For another sweet reason to limit our support? I don't want to become one of the "blood and soil barbarians", I insist on informed and professional decisions from myself and others. Do you?
Will it be worth, instead of demands from public and civilized jurisdictional procedure?

>people who want run away
>people who doesn't want to fight
>NO, I do not want
People are not very good at this, aren't they?
Skill issue. Really don't care. Why do you?

>you can give a bribe
This is just another form of stupidity (to then blame others in own mistakes) and fake solution (it's possible to make sufficient changes in government system with a decent compliance with procedures, dialogue in a good faith with other people, and taking the responsibility on self).

>in this shithole
So why don't we all start from cleaning it with our powerful and consistent idealism?

>Elites can freely get out
>doesn't serve in army in battlefront
And the task of citizen in society is to stay and to take a glorious path of confronting problems, every single one. And support other citizens who also have these opportunities (yes, it is not only "risks and unpredictibilities", but the opportunities to become a better version of yourself and try to make this world a better place for living).


Stay calm and say slowly: "I will make me some beautiful PE-RE-MO-HA".

>>8729
> >TCK kidnapping males
> If they do, it's breaking the law and should be regulated with the help of police
Are something from human left from you?
You know that police kidnap people with TCK in one team, so this sarcasm is laugh from it? You are same as russians.


> As well as many other collaborationists who post coordinates and russian propaganda in tg?
As Ostap Stahiv, Myroslav Oleshko, Anriy Serebrianski and many others? Did they? They did not, they are pursecuted by Zelenskiy regime because they are not silent and want freedom for simple citizens, by Zelenskiy with TCK decide to kill own people.

> For another sweet reason to limit our support?
Support what? Regime of man hunting on the streets? Corrupted generals? Ididot commanders? Concentration camp for male with one way to die for oligarchs Kolomoysky, Ahmetov, Pinchuk?

> civilized jurisdictional procedure
Kidnaping and forcing to fight? This is civilized? Refusing to cross borders? Are you insane?

> So why don't we all start from cleaning it with our powerful and consistent idealism?
Why I should clean shit you puped? And others. Get your hands on your own dirt/ And stop supporting kidnapping and killing own people, while you have been reserved from army or in rear troops. So fuck you, nothing from human left in you.

> but the opportunities to become a better version of yourself
So did you been in front line without battle kit eu and usa send to ua? No. Start from yourself first, you fucking idiot.

> Stay calm and say slowly: "I will make me some beautiful PE-RE-MO-HA"
No, there will be no victory, and you know it, because people like you betrayed ukrainians hiding back of laud words. There is no victory for concentraion camp, there is no victory while elites steal western help for army and citizens.
Ukraine are already defeated!

>>8730
>Ukraine are already defeated!
You are defeated, not Ukraine.

>>8731
No, Ukraine is done, it's not a question of beliving something, it's obvious.

>>8730
*TCA = Territorial Center of Assembly

>police kidnap people with TCK
Is it "every single one of them", or is it just "some individual cases"?
We're talking about principles and moral consistency, and if you say that you're against the law, then you became more like a russian, so please, stop this double-thinking.

>As Ostap Stahiv, Myroslav Oleshko, Anriy Serebrianski and many others?
Ostap Stahiv became antivaxer and prorussian propagandist. Nothing to add.

Myroslav Oleshko have left the country and also became pseudo-oppositionist ("pseudo-" because he has nothing really to offer instead of what he's criticizing).
Maybe he has his antirussian position, but the arguments he uses are not proEU, nor proukrainian either.

Anriy Serebrianski as well, left the country and trying to please his auditory with being cynical to every little positive step, became so nagging and moaning it's not even funny.
Some of his ideas are brave and decent, I'll admit.

>Support what?
Ukraininan Military Forces and many civil people of Ukraine.

>Kidnaping and forcing to fight?
Firstly, the conscripts have to train for 30-70 days period.
Secondary, the unfit for service citizens could also help, for example:
1. Weave nets
2. Sort humanitarian
3. Deliver food and medicine to the lonely old people
4. Take care of the animals
5. Join volunteering by phone calls
6. Support the children of internally displaced persons
...
>Start from yourself first
Exactly!
And before trying to help others, you should help yourself.

>Why I should clean shit
Because you could, and because you're trying to become an example for others.

>there will be no victory
Yes, it will. Slowly, but surely.